In the 24 hours since the airing of my piece, I’ve answered a lot of requests for a transcript. More than anything, I think that’s a testament to the amazing “This American Life” and the devotion of its fans.
After the first few requests, though, I found myself wishing that there was somewhere I could just “post” the thing so that anyone could come read it, copy it, or send their friends to it… somewhere it could live semi-permanently so I wouldn’t have to answer each and every individual email… like some kind of…
…website. Oh.
So here it is. A caveat or two: Because of time constraints, the piece was edited down a bit before being broadcast. I don’t have a transcript of what actually hit the airwaves, but you can probably do the surgery yourself if you so desire. It’s not too hard to do, I’d think - as far as I remember, the only major casualty of the edit were the penguins.
Also, this piece is a mix of the two gay marriage posts from this very blog, and the originals can be found here and here.
Finally, if you DO email it around to your friends, I have one humble-yet-incredibly-vain request. Please make sure my name remains attached to it. I want the Penguin Anti-defamation League to know where to find me.
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[from Ira’s introduction:]…Since January, 18 states have introduced amendments … echoing the president’s language.
Adam Felber says he knows just what the president’s talking about.
This gay marriage thing is tearing my wife and me apart. Now, because of activist judges in Massachusetts and overzealous officials in San Francisco, our union is hanging on by the thinnest of threads.
Back in the simpler days of 2002, when we were planning our wedding, Jeanne and I used to coo fondly at each other about the joys that lay ahead. It wasn’t that we were unsupportive of our gay friends, no. We were just looking forward to the government’s validation of our relationship’s specialness - a license that affirmed that the two of us had made a unique and personal eternal vow to each other. Something uniquer and specialer than any of our homosexual acquaintances could ever even hope for.
We’re all for the separation of church and state, naturally, but if the government doesn’t define marriage as the sacred union between a man and a woman, who will? Are Jeanne and I expected to treasure our union solely on the basis of our deep love, personal beliefs, public vows, and the government’s blessing? Sorry, Judge Pinkypants, but that’s just not good enough. Not for us. We need to know that we’ve got something that’s only available to 90% of the population, the select and upstanding few.
Sure, some of us are criminals. Murderers, even. Some of us have committed rape, beaten children, tattooed swastikas on our bodies, abused animals, broken into houses, bilked the government out of millions of tax dollars, lied under oath, cheated on previous spouses, dishonored our fathers and mothers, failed to keep the Sabbath holy, mowed down pedestrians in our SUV’s while intoxicated, coveted our neighbors’ stuff, gotten ourselves put on death row, sold military secrets to the Chinese, urinated in public places, beaten up people who looked or sounded different than us, and sold drugs in schoolyards.
But we’re straight, and that means we can get married. And that’s special. Or, at least it was. Jeanne and I could look around at other married couples - at least the ones that aren’t currently dealing with serial infidelity, divorce, spousal abuse, or bigamy - and think to ourselves, “Yes, that’s what we’re striving for. That kind of sanctity.”
Are some gay people serious about their commitment to each other? Sure, of course, that’s not the point. Let me give you an example. Jeanne and I know this couple, these two men. They’ve been together for years and years, longer than we have. They live on a farm in Pennsylvania and treasure their time together. They’re loved by their community, have saved lives as members of the local fire department and have opened their home to youth groups from the city. They’ve built a life together based on love and trust. BUT - and here’s my point - they’re gay. They’re both men. And if they’re allowed to marry someday, where does that leave us, my wife and me? See what I’m saying? It’d cheapen everything we have.
And that’s not a knock on gay people. No no no. America loves its gays. Look at the TV, with all those funny gay people on “Will and Grace,” and “Queer as Folk,” and “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.” They’re funny! Funny, colorful people - they’re nature’s clowns, really. Like penguins.
And we don�t allow penguins to marry, do we? No, these are dark times in my household. My wife and I look at each other with haunted, suspicious eyes, feeling like we’ve bought a whole bunch of shares in a stock that is about to be devalued. Suddenly, the eternal, personal vows that we swore to each other will mean very little. We’ll basically become roommates who happen to wear matching rings, while meanwhile out our window we’ll see gays and penguins feeding each other wedding cake willy-nilly on our very own street corner.
That�s why we need a Constitutional amendment that will protect marriage for straight people. Until we have the right to enter that sacred union, violate it, exit it, and enter it again with somebody else, again and again, regardless of what crimes we commit, until we�re too old and feeble to mouth the words, “I do,” - unless we have that right and gay people don’t, then there is truly nothing sacred in the United States of America.





27 comments
Aaron Headly
March 28, 2004 at 12:48 pm
1They trimmed the penguins out? I love penguins.
Jan
March 28, 2004 at 1:20 pm
2Am I getting all my Felber-isms confused? Wasn’t there something about clothes-swapping? Or was that the other posting to which Adam refers?
Adam: great appearances on “This American Life” and “Wait Wait.” But it set up all sor of false hopes for a Felber sweep of NPR - when I realized Scott Simon wasn’t hosting “Morning Edition” yesterday, I thought perhaps you were going for some sort of public radio hat trick and filling in for him. Darn.
Murray
March 28, 2004 at 6:54 pm
3I’ve read and heard this post, and the other two, numerous times.
And it’s still funny and powerful.
Now we’ve got to get Dan Rather, Tom Brokow , etc. to read it on the evening news.
lazyman
March 28, 2004 at 7:38 pm
4You’ve probably heard it lots before, but here’s another “woo hoo” from the crowd. I was laughing so hard when I heard your piece I had a little trouble staying in the lane.
BLT
March 28, 2004 at 9:42 pm
5What’s so funny and subversive about that is that there’s a whole slew of people out there who wouldn’t get that it’s funny and subversive.
tim
March 28, 2004 at 10:10 pm
6Great piece of course, Adam.
I know you want to take over NPR, but whatever you do, at all costs, stay the hell away from The Thistle and Shamrock. Sure, that Fiona Ritchie has an enchanting Scottish brogue, but I hear it masks some deep psychological problems. And then there’s the evil flesh-eating leprechauns. NPR wants to keep ‘em hidden, but they don’t fool me!
BettieWheelie
March 29, 2004 at 9:14 am
7I got a lot of mileage out of felbers.net while pitching yesterday (Sunday!) on-air at one of TWO NPR affiliates in SLC, the other one being very staid and professional, or something. Not us, no! Adam, you rule. Won’t you call in your pledge of support today? 3595279 3595279 3595279
I awake thinking of that number. Sad. And alone. Sadder still.
Mary
March 29, 2004 at 9:41 am
8Adam, your request is not at all vain. It is citing one’s source and, ethically, giving credit where credit is due. Something I learned in high school and used through graduate school. (Who says public education is failing?) ;-D
Sue
March 29, 2004 at 10:43 am
9Y’know….if you can camp out on enough NPR sites, you may not need to win the election in November: you’ll be more or less in charge anyway!
I, too, missed the penguins. They don’t get near enough air-time.
Between your marriage and David Sedaris’s pets, I can see I’m going to have to carve out larger chunks of my Saturday afternoons for Ira’s show.
Good work!
Jeremy Richards
March 29, 2004 at 2:13 pm
10Great work. Too bad about the penguins. ATC routinely makes similar cuts to my commetaries, the most regrettable being the phrase “wheelbarrows of unicorn flesh.”
Anne Little
March 29, 2004 at 7:16 pm
11A penguin friend of mine sent me your concise marriage history. I don’t know whether to laugh at it or cry about it - it’s all too true. You’ve captured the whole controversy about gay marriages better than anyone could hope to.
Anne Little
Paul
March 30, 2004 at 9:56 am
12Adam, I can’t thank you enough for making me laugh and cry at the same time. This is truly an amazing piece of satire. Keep it up!
Bob
March 30, 2004 at 4:11 pm
13So when’s the Wall Street Journal going to run this as an editorial?
Sam
April 1, 2004 at 12:44 am
14So in case you haven’t heard, our brave leader has proposed ammending homophobia/sexual discrimination into our constitution, prompting many people to wonder:
“WHY THE FUCK IS HE OUR PRESIDENT?”
It is the firm opinion of the more sane members of our (until recently) tolerant and (not so much any more) understanding society that if we are going to ammend a piece of our constitution, it should be the electoral college, which allows the candidate with LESS VOTES to become president. The electoral college is a ridiculous institution that gives a larger voting power to people in different regions of our country. We do not need the electoral college because we have
1) the house of representatives, which represents the relative population of each state, and
2) the senate, which gives every state an equal voice.
THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE ELECTED BASED ON HOW MANY CITIZENS VOTE FOR HIM/HER, NOT WHERE THEY LIVE AND CERTAINLY NOT USING THE WINNER TAKE ALL SYSTEM WE CURRENTLY USE.
Thank you.
Giselle Powell
April 3, 2004 at 12:46 pm
15at least we have the opportunity to voice our feelings without getting shot. Lets work together to get everyone who can vote to the polls. Although Sam has good point; how can we get rid of the electoral college deal?
Anonymous
April 3, 2004 at 5:23 pm
16If straight people are born with the right to get married, and gay people aren’t, what do gay people have? Is it to be allowed that gays will be dealt the short lot by genetics, or an internal factor that they cannot control?
Growning up the thought of marriage is the epitomy of childhood for little girls, every little girl will play with her dolls and play out their marriage while dreaming into the future on her own. Will the government so savagely violate those dreams?
I can understand where Heterosexuals get their motivation to speak out in support on this topic, but isn’t this being a little selfish. Isn’t Adam Felber’s post showing a bit of selfishness? When thinking about holding back something that you hold from someone who isn’t fortunate enough to have the same object/opportunity it’s important to look at aspects through their eyes… But it’s not common for someone to take that time.
I think it would be a good idea for the pro-gay marriage ban group to sit down and think about all of the people they’ll be emotionally crushing by making this act final — I also think a few hours too short a time to ponder on a descision that will effect generations and generations to come.
Birgitte
April 5, 2004 at 4:54 pm
17I think that penguins should be allowed to marry and they are definitely cuter than this couple
Heather
April 12, 2004 at 11:54 am
18A great piece of satire!
My question, though is, why is it that so many of the arguments in support of gay marriage have to make it hinge on “an uncontrollable impulse” or “genetic predisposition”? It seems to me that this rhetoric reveals a still pervasive underlying assumption that homosexuality is wrong–just excusable because “gays can’t help it.” Remember, we’re gay PEOPLE, and the “people” part ought to be the salient point for arguing for the universal right to marriage, just as it had been for arguing the legitmacy of interracial marriage.
Tom Jones
May 12, 2004 at 3:27 pm
19When Matthew Shepard was killed it didn’t effect me in the slightest. Sure, it effected Matt, but your argument, by the use of sarcasm, is claiming that unless something directly effects you and your life it is not a wrong that ought to be restrained by law. But Shepard’s murder didn’t effect me. So, it can’t be wrong.
enzo
May 12, 2004 at 3:41 pm
20the anonymous commentator of april 3 … is he serious????
Anonymous
May 13, 2004 at 3:25 pm
21Dear Tom Jones of May 12,
I don’t think you followed Felber’s argument (to the extent that satires can be said to pose arguments).
You seem to think it goes:
1) whatever does not harm me directly is morally permissible;
2) gay marriage does not harm me directly;
3) therefore, gay marriage is morally permissible.
If the argument went that way, then your reply would be exactly on point, and I would agree with it; the first premiss is obviously unacceptable.
But I do not think Felber’s piece offers an attempt to show the moral permissibility of gay marriage; it jumbles up lots of different points, as satirical comedy sketches tend to do, without presenting any central dominant argument.
It certainly seems to presuppose the following view:
a) The benefits that marriage provides to straight couples do not depend on the extrinsic fact of some other groups’ being excluded from the institution.
But I would have thought that would be a view acceptable to both sides of this debate–marriage is just *intrinsically* good, for whomever it is good for. Marriage for right-handed people would not be made *better* if left-handed people were excluded from the institution.
It also presupposes something like the following principle:
b) the desire to make one’s own possessions more valuable by depriving other people of the right to possess similar ones is not an admirable desire.
Here, too, I would think the general principle is fairly acceptable (we might think it is morally *permissible* to burn up all the other Picasso’s in order to make your own more valuable, but we’d hardly think it is *admirable*).
Combining these two thoughts, it seems to me that the major satirical point is to depict a couple who are neither clear-headed nor admirable; they think that much of the value of their marriage comes from its being an institution that excludes others (and this calls into question whether their marriage has any of the normal sources of value), and they think its value would decline if others were allowed to marry (which makes them look un-admirably selfish).
Does Felber ever offer an argument that gay marriage is morally permissible? No, I didn’t see one in there. That point is left untouched–if you don’t believe it, then nothing here will change your mind.
On the other hand, if you have spent the last many months looking in vain for any good argument that gay marriage *would* lead to any harm to society or individuals, then you may find this piece tends to confirm your suspicions that many opponents of gay marriage are acting out of motives that are less than admirable. The satire doesn’t allege bad faith on the part of *all* opponents; some opponents surely think gay marriage is simply immoral without regard to consequences, and would be immoral even if it produced a cornucopia of social benefits.
But those who have tried to argue that gay marriage would harm society or straight people never seem to be able to point to any concrete harm in order to back up that claim. I suspect that that, if anything, is the central point of Felber’s satire.
best wishes, Tad Brennan
Happy Lady
May 19, 2004 at 11:39 pm
22“When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know PEACE.” -J.H. If only I could see this happen in my lifetime.
It is sad seeing that everyone is so blinded by anger and hatred, and so programmed in on what is “right” and what might be “wrong”. Is it safe to say that we, as humans are put here on earth to live someone else’s life? Think about what LIFE is, and try living your own for a change, and being happy, other than worrying yourself to death about other peoples happiness or misery. We certainly are not put here to make others miserable, are we? Let life be lived!
Kyle Cole
June 5, 2004 at 9:23 pm
23Is Fiona Ritchie of NPR’s “Thistle and Shamrock” not actually Scottish, and was there some recent press on the subject? I must know!!!
Me
June 21, 2005 at 5:08 pm
24A marriage that needs goverment validation to hold it together is doomed regardless or what happens. It’s probably not worth the effort.
Jen G.
July 9, 2005 at 3:02 pm
25I love this piece. Thank you, Adam. And, for ME on June 21st: You’re probably right in saying that if a marriage can’t survive without external validation, it’s probably not worth it. But the government validation is more than just that. The benefits of marriage include protecting the rights of spouses to make medical decisions for each other, to provide medical insurance for each other, and even to bury each other when a spouse dies. In our state of Maryland, we tried to just get those medical rights passed without legalizing marriage. And our governor vetoed the measure. In Maryland right now, if a member of a gay couple needs to go to the hospital in an ambulance his/her partner is not necessarily allowed to ride along. You see, the governor felt that these rights were just too much of a slippery slope toward the legalization of same-sex marriage. The government validation has a lot of value. It includes rights that my husband and I take for granted. For our friends and neighbors, these rights are denied for the sole reason that they are in same-sex relationships.
The roots of racism
September 8, 2005 at 12:50 pm
26Program on the emergence of civilization.
“14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. ”
Favor.
And disfavor.
They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.
The roots of racism are not of this earth.
Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.
The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.
AIDS in Africa.
Organizational Heirarchy
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:
1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as “god”
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Mafia (evil) aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere (”On planets where they approved evil.”)
Terrestrial management:
4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - they answer to the egyptians
6. Mafia - the real-world interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.
Survival of the favored.
Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1986 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Fransisco Loma Prieta earthquake.
They can affect the weather and Hurricane Katrina was accomplished for many reasons and involves many interests, as anything this historical is::
1. Take heat off Sheenhan/Iraq, protecting profitable war machine/private war contracts
2. Gentrification. New Orleans median home price of $84k is among the lowest in major American cities, certainly among desirable cities.
Journal: 10 composition books + 39 megs of text files
Kim
November 10, 2005 at 11:59 pm
27roots of racism of sept 8 — North America had horses when humans first arrived. they killed all of them.